Wednesday, June 2, 2010

In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an "original birth certificate" on record

In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an "original birth certificate" on record.

They varied greatly in their reliability as evidence. They will be referred to as BC1, BC2, BC3, and BC4. There is also a BC5.

BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before "the local registrar of the district." It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in. In addition, if a claim was made that "neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate." (Section 57-8&9) the Dept of Health was contacted and asked what they currently require (in 2008) to back up a parent’s claim that a child was born in Hawaii. The answer was all they required was a proof of residence in Hawaii (e.g. a driver’s license [We know from interviews with her friends on Mercer Island in Washington State that Ann Dunham had acquired a driver’s license by the summer of 1961 at the age of 17] or telephone bill) and pre-natal (statement or report that a woman was pregnant) and post-natal (statement or report that a new-born baby has been examined) certification by a physician. On further enquiry, an employee explained that the pre-natal and post-natal certifications had probably not been in force in the ‘60s. Even if they had been, there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a "Delayed Certificate" could be filed, which required that "a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates", which "evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file." The statute provided that "the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence." (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961)."

[In other words, this form of vault birth certificate, the Delayed Certificate, required no more than a statement before a government bureaucrat by one of the parents or (the law does not seem to me clear on this) one of Barack Obama’s grandparents. If the latter is true, Ann Dunham did not have to be present for this statement or even in the country.]

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.) In 1955 the "secretary of the Territory" was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor ("the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office" §338-41
[in 1961]).

("a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii" Obama could have given, "testimony" to the Hawaiian Lt Governor that he was born in 1961. If the Lt Governor believed obama he was then issued a "certificate of live birth". So it is also possible obama himself had a "certificate of live birth" issued. I would call this a super delayed
"birth certificate". This "certificate of live birth" cannot be the same as the "certificate of live birth" issued by a hospital because it would not include any signatures or the doctor, parents or registrar. So what is issued? A "certification of live birth". I believe this is also a real possiblility.

What I would like to know is what would satisfy the Lt governor of Hawaii to issue a "certificate of live birth" years later? It doesn't say. It just says if the Lt governor is satisfied. This sounds like anything could satisfy the Lt governor, especially if a US senator requested a copy of his "birth certificate".) Story Reports

BC5 In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of "original birth certificate". Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, "Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child." In this way "state policies and procedures" accommodate even "children born out of State" (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an "original birth certificate on record." So it is even possible that the birth certificate referred to by Dr Fukino is of the kind specified in Act 182.

This possibility cannot be dismissed because such a certificate certainly satisfies Dr Fukino’s statement that "I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures." If this is the case, Dr Fukino would have perpetrated so unusually disgusting a deception that I find it practically incredible (and I greatly doubt that anyone could be that shameless). On the other hand, if the original birth certificate is of types 2, 3, or 4, Dr Fukino’s statement would be only somewhat less deceptive and verbally tricky. I only bring up this possibility to show how cleverly hedged and "lawyered" and basically worthless Dr Fukino’s statement is.

Sections 57-8, 9, 18, 19, 20 & 40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act explain why Barack Obama has refused to release the original vault birth certificate. If the original certificate were the standard BC1 type of birth certificate, he would have allowed its release and brought the controversy to a quick end. But if the original certificate is of the other kinds, then Obama would have a very good reason not to release the vault birth certificate. For if he did, then the tape recording of Obama’s Kenyan grandmother asserting that she was present at his birth in Kenya becomes far more important.

As does the Kenyan ambassador’s assertion that Barack Obama was born in Kenya, as well as the sealing of all government and hospital records relevant to Obama by the Kenyan government. And the fact that though there are many witnesses to Ann Dunham’s presence on Oahu from Sept 1960 to Feb 1961, there are no witnesses to her being on Oahu from March 1961 to August 1962 when she returned from Seattle and the University of Washington. No Hawaiian physicians, nurses, or midwives have come forward with any recollection of Barack Obama’s birth.

The fact that Obama refuses to release the vault birth certificate that would instantly clear up this matter almost certainly indicates that the vault birth certificate is probably a BC2 or possibly a BC3.

It is almost certainly a BC 3 or even a BC 4 if the "Certification of Live Birth" posted on the Daily Kos blog and the fightthesmears.com website by the Obama campaign is a forgery.

(The bottom line is if obama was born outside of the US his mother did not quality him to be a US citizen in 1961. He was an illegal alien for 33 years until 1994 when the law changed. Hawaiian officals could have issued several kinds of "birth certificates, or certifications to him or his "parents" depending on what kind was applied for. The document obama has presented cannot be verified by Americans who want to know if obama is a US citizen. They want to see real proof. They don't want to see a document that can't be verified. They don't rely on any statements from Hawaiian officals. Only the real deal counts. Obama is not the real deal. Obama is a FRAUD!) Story Reports

4 comments:

TellerIP said...

Since the officials in Hawaii have said that there is an original birth certificate in Obama's file, not a delayed birth certificate, and since they said that it shows that Obama was born in Hawaii, the only kind of a birth certificate that could be in the file is an ordinary hospital birth certificate.

Hawaii does not now and did not then allow a birth certificate that said "born in Hawaii" to be issued unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii. Obama's birth certificate says on it "born in Hawaii" and the fact that he was born in Hawaii was confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii and once by the governor of Hawaii.

The Wall Street Journal said:

"In truth, Obama has proved that he is a native of Hawaii, and this proof would hold up in any legal or administrative proceeding."

And it concluded: "Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn."

The National Review had this to say about the myth that Obama was born in Kenya:

“The theory that Obama was born in Kenya, that he was smuggled into the U.S., and that his parents somehow hoodwinked Hawaiian authorities into falsely certifying his birth in Oahu, is crazy stuff.”

Story Reports said...

So many questions but no solid validated answers. "Offical" statements from Hawaii cannot be validated by anyone seeking to verify obama is a US citizen. Therefore "offical" statements from Hawaii mean nothing.

I just explained that there are 5 ways to get a birth certificate from Hawaii.

There is not way on earth to verify what if anything is on file or was on file in Hawaii.

BC4 could have been conjured up by obama. If so there is no birth certificate on file in Hawaii and never was.

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year.
(See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.) In 1955 the "secretary of the Territory" was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor ("the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office" §338-41
[in 1961]).

TellerIP said...

You said: “So many questions but no solid validated answers. "Offical" statements from Hawaii cannot be validated by anyone seeking to verify obama is a US citizen. Therefore "offical" statements from Hawaii mean nothing.”

Answer: Here is what happens when you get a birth certificate these days. A clerk looks into a file and reads the original documents in the file and then fills in a computer form. The results are then printed out on a computer laser printer and sent to the applicant. This is what happened in Obama’s case; the clerk looked into the file and saw that the document there read “Place of Birth: Honolulu.” That is what she or he typed in on the form. If it did not say “Honolulu,” the clerk could not say Honolulu. If it had said “place of birth unknown,” the clerk would have had to write that too.

The procedure works for everyone, and it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department and the branches of the military. That alone is accepted. But, in Obama’s case, there has been additional confirmation. In addition to the clerk the two top officials of the Department of Health and the Department of Vital Records also looked into the file, and they confirmed that there is an original birth certificate in the file (not a delayed birth certificate or a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, which is always referred to as a Certificate of Hawaiian birth and never called a birth certificate). Then, in a second confirmation, the officials in Hawaii said that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. Then the governor of Hawaii said it too. In short, four officials, the clerk, the two department heads and the governor, who is a Republican, all say that there is evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii.

And, there is external evidence. There is a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii and writing home that day to her father, named Stanley, about the unusual event of a woman named Stanley giving birth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2170432/posts). In addition, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said that he was born in Hawaii, and in a separate interview she said that the first her family in Kenya heard about Obama’s birth was in a letter received from Hawaii many months after the birth.

So, there is legal proof of birth in Hawaii, and it is confirmed by officials, and further confirmed by external evidence. Such “birth certificates” that claim to show Obama’s birth in Kenya were all proven to be forgeries. And, Obama’s mother did not have a passport in 1961, so how could she have gone to Kenya—if she had even wanted to go to Kenya.

TellerIP said...

You also said: “I just explained that there are 5 ways to get a birth certificate from Hawaii.”

Answer: But there was NO WAY, no way at all, to get a birth document of any kind that said on it “born in Hawaii” unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii.

And, such things as delayed birth certificates require an actual delay of some months, which would have been impossible due to the dates of the publication of announcements in the Hawaii papers.

You said: “There is not way on earth to verify what if anything is on file or was on file in Hawaii.”

Answer: That is the way birth certificates work. And there is external evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii and no evidence (and there would have had to have been US government evidence, like a US visa on a foreign passport or an application for a passport for Obama or to amend his mother's passport to include him) that Obama was born in Kenya or in any other country.

You said: “If so there is no birth certificate on file in Hawaii and never was.”

Answer: (1) The clerk read something to fill out the form; (2) the heads of the departments of health and vital records said that there is an original birth certificate in the file and that this verifies that Obama was born in Hawaii.

You also said: ‘BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year.”

Answer: But we know that there was not a delay of a year, there could not have been because the announcements in the newspapers appeared about ten days after the birth. More directly to the point, the statements say that the document VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii.

And there is the statement of the witness and the statement of the Kenyan grandmother that Obama was born in Hawaii and that a letter from Hawaii came to tell the family about it, and--by the way--Obama's mother did not have a passport in 1961.