Thursday, June 3, 2010

5 ways to get a "birth certificate" from Hawaii


Rod Blagojevich, Barrack Obama and Richard Daley during a rally in Chicago, April 16, 2007. Photo Reuters
Barrack Obama, quote "I only saw Rod Blagojevich one time ... and that was in the stands and from a distance at a Chicago Bears Football Game" unquote.

(A bold face lie. Documented. I believe obama is telling another bold face lie about where he was born in the form of a "certificate of live birth" generated out of thin air.) The elements of fraud on the nation have been met.

So many questions but no solid validated answers. "Offical" statements from Hawaii cannot be validated by anyone seeking to verify obama is a US citizen. Therefore "offical" statements from Hawaii mean nothing.

There are 5 ways to get a birth certificate from Hawaii.

5 ways to get a "birth certificate" from Hawaii

There is not way on earth to verify what if anything is on file or was on file in Hawaii if obama applied for a "birth certificate" that was never issued in the first place.

BC4 could have been conjured up by obama. If so there is no birth certificate on file in Hawaii and never was.

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year.

(See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.) In 1955 the "secretary of the Territory" was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor ("the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office" §338-41
[in 1961]).

5 ways to get a birth certificate from Hawaii


"a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii" Obama could have given, "testimony" to the Hawaiian Lt Governor that he was born in 1961. If the Lt Governor believed obama, he was then issued a "certificate of live birth". So it is also possible obama himself had a "certificate of live birth" issued.

I would call this a super delayed "birth certificate". This "certificate of live birth" cannot be the same as the "certificate of live birth" issued by a hospital because it would not include any signatures or the doctor, parents or registrar. So what is issued? A "certification of live birth". Keep in mind this flavor of "birth certificate" is generated out of thin air with NO original "certificate of live birth" to get the information from. The testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]), OBAMA, is all that is needed. Statements from obama to a Lt governor. It doesn't indicate any documents need to be presented as valid proof only "testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]), OBAMA. This is a "birth certificate" created out of thin air!

What I would like to know is what would satisfy the Lt governor of Hawaii to issue a "certificate of live birth" years later? It doesn't say. It just says if the Lt governor is satisfied. This sounds like anything could satisfy the Lt governor, especially if a US senator requested a copy of his "birth certificate".)

Oh ya I forgot about this one a sure fire way for obama to have obtained a birth certificate from Hawaii if he was born in Kenya. This was made for a thug from chicago.

In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fourth kind of birth certificate for children born outside of the Territory or State of Hawaii. HRS Chapter 338 was amended to add a new section authorizing the Director of the Department of Health to issue a birth certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or State, upon sufficient proof that the legal parents of such individual had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child.

So heck, you didn't need to be born in Hawaii to get a Hawaiian birth certificate if your parents lived in Hawaii for at least 1 year prior to the birth.

THIS IS ALSO A BIG POSSIBILITY. How can anyone prove Hawaii did not create a "birth certificate" for little bo just because his parents lived in Hawaii 1 year prior to his birth outside the state of Hawaii?

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”

“If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali.

HRS Chapter 338 amended indicates Hawaii in 1982 would issue a birth certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or State, upon sufficient proof that the legal parents of such individual had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child.

So ya you could get an Hawaiian "birth certificate" if you were born in Bali but the "birth certificate" would not indicate you were born in bali it would indicate your were born in Hawaii as the law says. Okubo knows Hawaii is not going to issue an Hawaiian "birth certificate" saying you were born in Bali. It would indicate the subject person was born in Hawaii because the parents had lived in Hawaii 1 year prior to the birth of the child.

A "birth certificate", or "certificate of live birth" created out of thin air just because the birthers lived in Hawaii 1 year prior to the birth of BO.

AMAZING!

6 comments:

TellerIP said...

The only way that you could get a birth certificate that says on it "born in Hawaii" was to show proof that the child was born in Hawaii. Obama's birth certificate, the official Certification of Live Birth, says on it that he was born in Hawaii, and that fact has been confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii and once by the governor of Hawaii.

And, there is even a witness who recalls being told of his birth and writing about it to her father in 1961 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2170432/posts).

The Certification of Live Birth is now the official birth certificate of Hawaii and the only one that Hawaii issues, and Hawaii no longer issues copies of the original birth certificate (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html). That is the birth certificate that Hawaii sent to Obama in 2007 so it is the only one that Obama can show. The Certification of Live Birth is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department and the branches of the military.

TellerIP said...

Re "Side show."

EVERY US citizen who was born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen. the only kind of a US citizen who is not a Natural Born Citizen is a naturalized citizen.

That is why the US Congress confirmed Obama's election UNANIMOUSLY, because not one member in 535 believed that he was not a Natural Born Citizen.

Story Reports said...

If what you said was true there would have been no need for the writers of the US Constitution to include the words:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;

There is a difference. This is why there are two different citizen terms.

They are not the same as you would suggest.

You said:

That is why the US Congress confirmed Obama's election UNANIMOUSLY, because not one member in 535 believed that he was not a Natural Born Citizen.

No one objected during the counting of the electorial votes. Dick chaney never asked if there were any objections, as he should have following previous procedure.

Congressman John Linder, Georgia wanted to object but he needed at least 1 US senator to agree to voice an objection.

3 USC 15 - Sec. 15. Counting electoral votes in Congress

Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received.

Just as the Supreme Court will not interfere with the lawful fulfillment of the electoral process by the Legislative branch, members of the House and Senate are likewise unlikely to move to object unless they are confident enough that it is the best political move for them to make.

The US Supreme Court should have heard this case before the election.

It was a winner and the US Supreme Court did not want hear it because it would have stopped the FRAUD obama.

Leo C. Donofrio, a retired attorney in New Jersey, has an appeal before the US Supreme Court. The appeal is the result of a lawsuit filed against the New Jersey Secretary of State, Nina Mitchell Wells. The lawsuit states that Ms. Wells did not adequately perform her statutory duty to ensure the integrity of ballots and the electoral process for the November 4th, 2008 election. Mr. Donofrio presented the facts regarding the case on Tuesday, November 12, 2008.

“On Sunday evening, I left New Jersey in order to be in DC to file the application before the court closed at 4:30 PM. This would assure that the Supreme Court had a chance to stay the popular vote in the National Election before election day polls opened.

26. The Application For Emergency Stay was filed by me on Monday November 3rd, 2008, at 3:33 PM. A few minutes later, while still in the Supreme Court, I phoned the Stay Clerk, Mr. Danny Bickell, and we spoke for 7:00 minutes (according to my phone log). I told Mr. Bickell the whole story insisting that the Court Rule required the Application to be delivered promptly to Justice Souter. Mr. Bickell assured me that Justice Souter would have the case on his desk that evening if my papers were in order, which they were.

It was very important that the Court Rules be followed since I didn’t expect Justice Souter to grant the application, but I was ready to resubmit it to Justice Clarence Thomas with along with a letter to His Honor and ten copies of the original application shoulld he pass it on to the entire Court.

27. I arrived at the SCOTUS on Monday Nov 3rd, got the case filed and stamped at 3:30PM, then went back inside and pleaded with the stay clerk for 7 minutes (as shown by my phone log) to please follow the rules and get this on Justice Souter’s desk as was required by Rule 22(1):

“1. An application addressed to an individual Justice shall be filed with the Clerk, who will transmit it promptly to the Justice concerned if an individual Justice has authority to grant the sought relief.” (Emphasis added.)

TellerIP said...

You said: “There is a difference. This is why there are two different citizen terms.”

Answer: A citizen is either a citizen at birth or a naturalized citizen.

A Natural Born Citizen is only a citizen at birth, and he or she CANNOT be a naturalized citizen. That is the reason. The Natural Born Citizen clause forbids two kinds of people from becoming president: (1) those who are not citizens of the USA at all, and (2) naturalized citizens. The meaning of the term “Natural Born” at the time of the writing of the Constitution (and I can show you five or six quotes from such leaders as Adams and Hamilton to prove this) was simply “born in the USA with the exception of the children of foreign diplomats.”

Natural Born was at the time a synonym for what we call Native Born, which was virtually never used. Natural Born had been used in British common law since about 1300 AD, about five hundred years before the Constitution was written, and the writers were overwhelmingly lawyers. Why was Natural Born common and native born rarely used? I don’t know, but the old legal term was Natural Born.

The US-born children of foreigners are considered Natural Born because for children born in the USA it is simply a geographic term. Just as everyone born in Ohio is "Ohio-born," everyone (other than the children of foreign diplomats) born in the USA is Natural Born. Some others born outside of the USA may also be natural born under statute, but that is not the original meaning of Natural Born and does not apply to Obama who was born in the USA, in Hawaii.

TellerIP said...

You said: “Dick chaney never asked if there were any objections, as he should have following previous procedure.”

Answer: The procedure was that in that kind of a session, a joint session of Congress, if someone planned to object they were supposed to file their plans to object beforehand. No one did.

As for Congressman Linder, he hasn’t said a word since that vote, and he did not need a senator, if he planned to object all that he had to do was register his plan to object. Congressman Linder has not called for an investigation of Obama’s place of birth, and he has not called for an investigation of Obama not being a Natural Born Citizen due to his parents.

And, by the way, there has been a Birther Bill in Congress and similar proposed legislation in several states that would require future presidential candidates to prove their place of birth (which Obama can do because he has the official birth certificate of Hawaii), but NOBODY has proposed a bill that would make future candidates for president prove that their parents were US citizens.

You said: “unless they are confident enough that it is the best political move for them to make.”

Answer: They are sworn to uphold the US Constitution. Also, with Electoral Votes, it is actually rather common for one elector to change his or her vote. This has occurred in numerous elections, but in this case not one did.

TellerIP said...

You said: “The US Supreme Court should have heard this case before the election.”

Answer: My point is that there are not even four votes on the Supreme Court to call the case. Maybe not even three or two. The consensus of constitutional scholars is OVERWHELMING that all US citizens who were born in the USA (as Obama was) are Natural Born citizens and that this was the meaning of Natural Born at the time of the writing of the Constitution.

You said: “US Supreme Court did not want hear it because it would have stopped the FRAUD obama.”

Answer: The US Supreme Court does not even have four votes to call the case because EVERY US citizen who was born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen, and the justices are very very aware of the meaning of Natural Born in the common law and that the meaning does NOT come from Vattel.

You said: “Leo C. Donofrio, a retired attorney in New Jersey, has an appeal before the US Supreme Court.“

Answer; ‘The Supreme Court has already thrown out three appeals. There has already been a STATE appeals court ruling (Ankeny v Governor of Illinois,
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11120903.ebb.pdf), which has ruled on substance that Obama IS a Natural Born Citizen and that this despite his father having been a foreign citizen at the time of birth. This case was appealed to the Supreme Court of Indiana, which did not accept the appeal, meaning that this ruling still stands (in Indiana). It has not even been appealed to federal courts. If it were appealed to federal courts, every one of them and the Supreme Court would find that it is right because the OVERWHELMING consensus is that Natural Born meant “born in the country with the exception of the children of foreign diplomats” at the time of the writing of the Constitution.

This is a summary of the consensus of opinion:

“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition

Here are some constitutional scholars who agree with this:

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), said:

“Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.” (December 11, 2008 letter to constituent)

Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT), said:

“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)

Here are the decisions in some of the MANY federal cases that have ruled that the US-born children of foreigners are Natural Born Citizens.

Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999) (children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):

"Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States."

Nwankpa v. Kissinger, 376 F. Supp. 122 (M.D. Ala. 1974) (child born in US to two Biafra citizens described as “natural born citizen” of the US):

"The Plaintiff was a native of Biafra, now a part of the Republic of Nigeria. His wife and two older children are also natives of that country, but his third child, a daughter, is a natural-born citizen of the United States."

What makes the third child different from the other two? She was born in the USA.